The witness of Matt Myer & Jody Myer
This Page exists to chronicle our past and present relationship with Matt Myer. I appeal to the reader, and to the many thousands who have heard and believed Matt's witness without hearing ours (The Church of Wells), to give the following account an honest and sober read.
Where It All Began --- Testimony #1
Dear Reader,
I am compelled to give testimony to you all concerning this man's conduct toward us. My name is Sean Morris (one of the Pastors of The Church of Wells). Below is a written account of our first encounter with Matt Myer's.
I am compelled to give testimony to you all concerning this man's conduct toward us. My name is Sean Morris (one of the Pastors of The Church of Wells). Below is a written account of our first encounter with Matt Myer's.
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"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." - Romans 16:17-18
"Alexander the Coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words. At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge. Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion." - 2 Timothy 4:14-17 “Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.” - Proverbs 14:7 |
The first time I met Matt Myer was at a wedding that happened approximately three years ago (January 19th, 2013). I had never met him before. He just suddenly showed up at the wedding with his family. He happened to be in the area even though he lived up north far from Texas. The wedding he was attending was Troy and Michelle Dannenberger's wedding. Matt and his wife had a friendship with Michelle prior to Michelle's conversion and joining of The Church of Wells. This is why the Myers were attending the wedding... but as we came to find out, it was not in support of the wedding.
During the ceremony, Matt Myer got up and went up to the front of the Church Chapel (the front pew) where Michelle was sitting. This happened during a solemn prayer in the middle of the service, so most everyone had their eyes closed and their heads bowed. During this time, without anyone seeing it (as far as I know), Matt went up to the front to try to reason with Michelle not to get married to Troy. Matt did not know Troy nor The Church of Wells, and according to his own testimony, he had not read any online slander up to that day. He simply felt that "god" was compelling him to try to stop the wedding, and so he did it.
He ended up compelling Michelle to walk back to the back of the chapel by his gestures to speak to him. Michelle conceded to speak to him probably out of shock and wonder, not really knowing what was going on (she was not expecting anything like this, for sure!). They walked back toward the back of the isle of the chapel near where I happened to be sitting, and I happened to open my eyes and look up. Lo, and behold, Matt and Michelle were there in the back isle in the middle of the prayer, and Matt was engaging her about something. I was shocked! I got up and went over to where they were and asked, "What is going on?" Or, "What is happening here?" Something of this nature. Michelle looked at me with a startled look about what was happening... then Matt began to say that Michelle did not want to marry Troy. I thought within myself, "What is he talking about?" "Why is he saying this?" And, "Who is this man?" These were my general thoughts. In answer to Matt's accusation I just simply looked at Michelle and said, "Well, sister, tell this man if you want to marry Troy or not." I said something like this. Michelle then affirmed to Matt Myer in her own words that she indeed wanted to marry Troy, and then she abruptly left him there and went up to the front of the chapel quickly so that the ceremony could continue. She was married that day and she is happily married today, walking in the beauty of holiness! Hallelujah! I entreat you that you would speak to her on the phone to verify if these things be true! She would be willing to speak to you if you are willing with an honest and sincere heart for the sake of the truth to be known!
After this interaction happened between the three of us in the chapel isle toward the back of the chapel, I strongly charged Matt to come outside and speak to me (after Michelle left us there to go back to the front). Matt did as I strongly charged. We stepped outside and we began talking, and I began to strongly demand that he would tell me what is going on with him, why he just did what he did... as I was expressing strong contempt for his unrighteous behavior, including shock and amazement on how this just happened. He ended up telling me how "god" had sent him there and wanted him to try to prevent the wedding. He told me some other stories where he believed that "god" was supernaturally leading him to do things, and this was one of the few.
Somewhere along the time of our conversation outside of the chapel, I was asking him about his conversion, what happened, what was his testimony, and what fruits were exhibited in his life thereafter to verify the truthfulness of his conversion (biblically speaking, this is where Christians are supposed to start so as to verify if they are both Christians indeed). My manner of conversation was sober, temperate, controlled, calculated, sincere, and grave the entire time (by the grace of God in Christ). I spoke to him nothing of my own opinion nor did I debate with him about his profession of his miraculous leadings through "god". I was just trying to get to the heart of the matter - on if this man was converted or not. Matt's conversation with me/us was childish, without temperance, without a bridle upon his tongue, with a repulsive irreverence to the scriptures, bowing up in our faces with anger and aggression, taunting us and verbally "Oohing" us, while saying, "I'm not afraid of you", and much more. As I would quote the scriptures to try to persuade him of real Christian conduct and conversion, he would mock me... literally! He did not believe that a man MUST bear fruit after conversion to Christ, and that those fruits are verifiable and evident. He denied this doctrine altogether, which is essential to understanding the true Gospel. Because of Matt's behavior and his intent to ruin the wedding still more, I had to call the police before he would remove himself from the property. I told him to leave but he would not listen until I called the police and showed him I had just dialed 911 on my phone. Only then would he leave. I then had to go and stand at the gate of the property to keep him from coming back onto the property, and he tried several times to do such things like this. Much interaction continued to happen where his behavior, wrath, frustration, taunting, mocking, "Oohing", bowing up in our faces as if to fight us, and many such like things happened. The man was completely unreasonable and overtaken by flesh and sin. It was evident that he was sent to the Wedding by the Devil. When we quoted scriptures he would just laugh and mock, and sometimes, intermittently, he would marvel that we knew the scriptures by heart. It was very grievous and sad.
The following day, Matt came to the store we owned at the time in Wells (The R&R). He insisted to buy a sandwich from us, but we refused to give him a sandwich. The reason being, we did not want anything to do with his false prophesying and his evil ways; thus we did not want to help him in any way, according to the scriptures, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 Jn. 1:10-11). This is not always our approach to situations with false prophets, by any means, but in this peculiar situation we felt that this was righteous behavior, given the scripture in 2 John 1:10-11, typed out above. He insisted and with loud arguments made a public scene in our store, interrupting business, refusing to leave, demanding a sandwich, and we had to call the police on him yet again to get him to leave the premises of our store property. Then Matt Myer went to the store down the street called Polks, and a person who was there came to The R&R inquiring if what Matt was saying was true, something like, "that Troy has been married 5 times", or "that Troy has 2 wives"... something outrageous like this! This woman came over to our store telling us that this is what Matt Myer was saying... and we insisted that it was not true what Matt was saying. She was thankful to hear that it was not true.
This was our first interaction with Matt Myer.
Since then, he has moved to Wells, he has made an alliance with false Christianity in this town, he is a leader of all manner of persons who are the most wicked and violent enemies of the Gospel of Christ, he is able to keep a good form of godliness on the outside, to speak religious talk, and since our first interaction approx. three years ago, he has grown in his understanding of scripture and doctrine - so much so that I think he might believe that a person must bear fruits after conversion now, which he did not believe in the beginning (see also Mark's testimony below on this point, Testimony #3). I have brought this up to him but he refuses to talk with me about conversion and the fruits of true conversion, and insists that we talk about other things. The man is a very angry man. He often clinches his fists when interacting with brethren from The Church of Wells. His body language clearly exhibits that he is holding himself back from committing acts of violence and fighting. He does not and has never demonstrated fruits of true conversion in our dealings with him. He is a worker of deceit and evil and a man of strife. He has come down to Wells to try to destroy the people of God here, but we believe that God is seeking to convert the man to Christ!
Please understand, dear Reader, though I thus speak about Matt in this truthful and honest way - we love and care for him! We have, by God's grace, wept for him in prayer (not a few times), do pray for him much, desire his conversion, and desire him to see his sin so that he might see the Savior, Jesus Christ! Nevertheless, he is a worker of evil and iniquity who has done us much harm, like Alexander the Coppersmith did to the apostle Paul. Dear brethren, please consider these things. It is very likely that Matt will put on a show, seeking to agree with whatever doctrine is being preached (which is likely what he did when he visited the Illbehonest Fellowship Conference). Matt may even deny that he rejected the doctrine of "the fruits of conversion", though I am not sure (if he would deny this). Nevertheless, my Reader, I am compelled to bear you testimony so that you will not be deceived by this man. May God have mercy and work righteousness in the great congregation to His own glory! I know that, in truth, by the Holy Ghost, and before Almighty God, the following verses do describe Matt Myer's behavior... may God testify to this in due time!
During the ceremony, Matt Myer got up and went up to the front of the Church Chapel (the front pew) where Michelle was sitting. This happened during a solemn prayer in the middle of the service, so most everyone had their eyes closed and their heads bowed. During this time, without anyone seeing it (as far as I know), Matt went up to the front to try to reason with Michelle not to get married to Troy. Matt did not know Troy nor The Church of Wells, and according to his own testimony, he had not read any online slander up to that day. He simply felt that "god" was compelling him to try to stop the wedding, and so he did it.
He ended up compelling Michelle to walk back to the back of the chapel by his gestures to speak to him. Michelle conceded to speak to him probably out of shock and wonder, not really knowing what was going on (she was not expecting anything like this, for sure!). They walked back toward the back of the isle of the chapel near where I happened to be sitting, and I happened to open my eyes and look up. Lo, and behold, Matt and Michelle were there in the back isle in the middle of the prayer, and Matt was engaging her about something. I was shocked! I got up and went over to where they were and asked, "What is going on?" Or, "What is happening here?" Something of this nature. Michelle looked at me with a startled look about what was happening... then Matt began to say that Michelle did not want to marry Troy. I thought within myself, "What is he talking about?" "Why is he saying this?" And, "Who is this man?" These were my general thoughts. In answer to Matt's accusation I just simply looked at Michelle and said, "Well, sister, tell this man if you want to marry Troy or not." I said something like this. Michelle then affirmed to Matt Myer in her own words that she indeed wanted to marry Troy, and then she abruptly left him there and went up to the front of the chapel quickly so that the ceremony could continue. She was married that day and she is happily married today, walking in the beauty of holiness! Hallelujah! I entreat you that you would speak to her on the phone to verify if these things be true! She would be willing to speak to you if you are willing with an honest and sincere heart for the sake of the truth to be known!
After this interaction happened between the three of us in the chapel isle toward the back of the chapel, I strongly charged Matt to come outside and speak to me (after Michelle left us there to go back to the front). Matt did as I strongly charged. We stepped outside and we began talking, and I began to strongly demand that he would tell me what is going on with him, why he just did what he did... as I was expressing strong contempt for his unrighteous behavior, including shock and amazement on how this just happened. He ended up telling me how "god" had sent him there and wanted him to try to prevent the wedding. He told me some other stories where he believed that "god" was supernaturally leading him to do things, and this was one of the few.
Somewhere along the time of our conversation outside of the chapel, I was asking him about his conversion, what happened, what was his testimony, and what fruits were exhibited in his life thereafter to verify the truthfulness of his conversion (biblically speaking, this is where Christians are supposed to start so as to verify if they are both Christians indeed). My manner of conversation was sober, temperate, controlled, calculated, sincere, and grave the entire time (by the grace of God in Christ). I spoke to him nothing of my own opinion nor did I debate with him about his profession of his miraculous leadings through "god". I was just trying to get to the heart of the matter - on if this man was converted or not. Matt's conversation with me/us was childish, without temperance, without a bridle upon his tongue, with a repulsive irreverence to the scriptures, bowing up in our faces with anger and aggression, taunting us and verbally "Oohing" us, while saying, "I'm not afraid of you", and much more. As I would quote the scriptures to try to persuade him of real Christian conduct and conversion, he would mock me... literally! He did not believe that a man MUST bear fruit after conversion to Christ, and that those fruits are verifiable and evident. He denied this doctrine altogether, which is essential to understanding the true Gospel. Because of Matt's behavior and his intent to ruin the wedding still more, I had to call the police before he would remove himself from the property. I told him to leave but he would not listen until I called the police and showed him I had just dialed 911 on my phone. Only then would he leave. I then had to go and stand at the gate of the property to keep him from coming back onto the property, and he tried several times to do such things like this. Much interaction continued to happen where his behavior, wrath, frustration, taunting, mocking, "Oohing", bowing up in our faces as if to fight us, and many such like things happened. The man was completely unreasonable and overtaken by flesh and sin. It was evident that he was sent to the Wedding by the Devil. When we quoted scriptures he would just laugh and mock, and sometimes, intermittently, he would marvel that we knew the scriptures by heart. It was very grievous and sad.
The following day, Matt came to the store we owned at the time in Wells (The R&R). He insisted to buy a sandwich from us, but we refused to give him a sandwich. The reason being, we did not want anything to do with his false prophesying and his evil ways; thus we did not want to help him in any way, according to the scriptures, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 Jn. 1:10-11). This is not always our approach to situations with false prophets, by any means, but in this peculiar situation we felt that this was righteous behavior, given the scripture in 2 John 1:10-11, typed out above. He insisted and with loud arguments made a public scene in our store, interrupting business, refusing to leave, demanding a sandwich, and we had to call the police on him yet again to get him to leave the premises of our store property. Then Matt Myer went to the store down the street called Polks, and a person who was there came to The R&R inquiring if what Matt was saying was true, something like, "that Troy has been married 5 times", or "that Troy has 2 wives"... something outrageous like this! This woman came over to our store telling us that this is what Matt Myer was saying... and we insisted that it was not true what Matt was saying. She was thankful to hear that it was not true.
This was our first interaction with Matt Myer.
Since then, he has moved to Wells, he has made an alliance with false Christianity in this town, he is a leader of all manner of persons who are the most wicked and violent enemies of the Gospel of Christ, he is able to keep a good form of godliness on the outside, to speak religious talk, and since our first interaction approx. three years ago, he has grown in his understanding of scripture and doctrine - so much so that I think he might believe that a person must bear fruits after conversion now, which he did not believe in the beginning (see also Mark's testimony below on this point, Testimony #3). I have brought this up to him but he refuses to talk with me about conversion and the fruits of true conversion, and insists that we talk about other things. The man is a very angry man. He often clinches his fists when interacting with brethren from The Church of Wells. His body language clearly exhibits that he is holding himself back from committing acts of violence and fighting. He does not and has never demonstrated fruits of true conversion in our dealings with him. He is a worker of deceit and evil and a man of strife. He has come down to Wells to try to destroy the people of God here, but we believe that God is seeking to convert the man to Christ!
Please understand, dear Reader, though I thus speak about Matt in this truthful and honest way - we love and care for him! We have, by God's grace, wept for him in prayer (not a few times), do pray for him much, desire his conversion, and desire him to see his sin so that he might see the Savior, Jesus Christ! Nevertheless, he is a worker of evil and iniquity who has done us much harm, like Alexander the Coppersmith did to the apostle Paul. Dear brethren, please consider these things. It is very likely that Matt will put on a show, seeking to agree with whatever doctrine is being preached (which is likely what he did when he visited the Illbehonest Fellowship Conference). Matt may even deny that he rejected the doctrine of "the fruits of conversion", though I am not sure (if he would deny this). Nevertheless, my Reader, I am compelled to bear you testimony so that you will not be deceived by this man. May God have mercy and work righteousness in the great congregation to His own glory! I know that, in truth, by the Holy Ghost, and before Almighty God, the following verses do describe Matt Myer's behavior... may God testify to this in due time!
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"He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.
As a mad man who casteth firebrands, arrows, and death, So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport? Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth. As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Burning lips and a wicked heart are like a potsherd covered with silver dross. He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him; When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart. Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation. Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him. A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin." - Proverbs 26:17-28 "The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment." - Proverbs 12:19 “A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.” - Proverbs 18:6-8 |
With Sincerity and Love, by the Grace of God in Christ,
Sean Morris
Sean Morris
"Cult 'Church of Wells' deacon harassing our family" --- Testimony #2, A Response by Rick Trudeau
The following video was recorded by Matt Myer. The Man on the roof is named Rick Trudeau, a deacon of The Church of Wells. The house being built is the Church House under construction. The situation and entire context of this event, preceding what's seen in the video below, is what Matt conveniently left out --- which is slander. It is slander to say WE have been harassing his family. It is slander to neglect the details of the "Guests" that were present at Matt's house during this event. Please see Rick Trudeaus's response posted below the video.
“He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.” - Proverbs 10:18
An Open Response by Rick Trudeau
To whom it may concern,
I, Rick Trudeau, have had numerous encounters with Matt Myers, primarily during the months of the construction of the Church building about 75ft from Matt's Garage (which he was building simultaneously). Matt moved to Wells from up North in the late spring/early summer with the sole purpose to trouble the Church. He is a very contentious man without a bridle upon his tongue (James 1:26). It seemed that he could not rest unless he had done some mischief against our respectable efforts, as it is written, "For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall" (Prov. 4:16).
Despite our past experiences with Matt which all were to our hurt, we had, in Christian charity, tolerated Matt's presence almost entirely throughout the construction of the Church building. He would freely walk on to the property and engage us with his erroneous contentions on a weekly or daily basis. He would even pick through our scrap pile and find pieces of wood that could aid his construction project, and we gladly did not forbid him. We behaved thus to him all the while certain of the Church members were forbidden from standing on Matt's property. He would often stall our work day for hours, but we were willing to suffer this for the sake of Matt's soul... hoping that God would grant him repentance to the acknowledging of the truth (2 Tim. 2:25). It was very obvious from early on that Matt Myer was unreasonable, nevertheless all the men working on the site spent many hours willing to reason with him (some around 10-20 hours, others more like 30 hours). Also many other saints (some from within and some from outside this local Church) and our Pastors have spent many hours trying to reason with Matt. He would almost always bring up the same false and railing accusations against certain Church members.
I had often remembered the men in the book of Nehemiah: Sanballat, Geshem and Tobiah, who were ordained of the devil to resist the work of those who seek the welfare of God's people. I was thankful for the resistance, on this wise, knowing that God was indeed for us.
The day I stood up on the roof I was very heavy in spirit for Matt. He had been bold to gather certain souls whom I loved and desired to know the truth of God's word and gospel. I had the account of Balaam and Balak upon my heart. I knew that the Lord wanted to warn Matt Myer of the sin of seeking to curse God's people. I, with trembling, climbed up to the peak of the Church House and read the account of Balaam's words when he blessed God's people three times in the presence of Balak, when Balak had hired Balaam to curse (Num. 23,24). The video produced by Matt was only the tail end of the words that my Lord let me "hear in the ear", and therefore I preached them upon the housetop ("What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops" - Matt. 10:27). I preached the things which I did in faith to the Lord Jesus Christ, as a faithful declaration depicting the great sin of the Myer home. The "Guests" of Matt's who were present on his property and in my hearing were of vital importance to the situation, conveniently left unmentioned in his allegation that I was harassing Matt and his "Guests/family".
Matt's two Guests in his back yard, Christine Major (presently erring from the faith, and attempting to cause others to do so [documented by Sean Morris]) and Alberto Depasquale (presently unconverted), had been looking toward us for a few hours... I suspect desiring to speak with us. I have good reason to believe this because during Christine's visit to Wells she had actively pursued the Brethren all over Wells (boldly knocking on our doors, etc., she made very clear why she was in Wells), she had also come on my property (the Church building) and tried to contend with me about the right judgment of God. This rebuke spoken from the roof did righteously stir Alberto to want to speak with me specifically. Shortly after that day, Alberto defied Matt's counsel to stay away from us, and we spoke outside for an hour or so. This conversation then led up to a longer meeting in the unfinished Church House building (a meeting which went late into the night). Matt Myer, also, was present in this meeting on my property, welcomed by me (as our consistent behavior up to that time had been). Alberto fell under conviction this night and wanted to come back and hear more of the true Gospel. That night Alberto (an admittedly unconverted man) reproved Matt for not fearing the written word of God. Ever since that day Alberto has not trusted Matt's counsel, and is wanting to continue speaking to us, though sadly he is still in great sin. May the Lord have mercy on him!
On the day I preached from the roof-top, Matt had called the police. The Officer did not seem to suggest that I had broken the law by lifting up my voice to read or preach on my own property. Matt was standing on my property when he took this video, and I gave him no warning. Surely this is proof of our willingness to long-suffer Matt's sinful presence, and yet he hastily seeks to "capture" video material whereby he can frame himself to be a victim of our "crimes". It is also noteworthy that on multiple occasions Matt did also lift up his voice to rebuke us from his project on the other side of the property line, but we did not call the police. Many visitors to the Church House, while inside of the building, were tangled up into Matt's railing accusations and suffered his bad manors. Almost all of this proof could be established by three or more witnesses, but we have refrained from making a reasonable attempt at this because we supposed Matt's folly would be open before all. We were not expecting he would be so successful in disguising himself with "sheep clothing", nor did we expect the Remnant to just simply trust him.
I, Rick Trudeau, have had numerous encounters with Matt Myers, primarily during the months of the construction of the Church building about 75ft from Matt's Garage (which he was building simultaneously). Matt moved to Wells from up North in the late spring/early summer with the sole purpose to trouble the Church. He is a very contentious man without a bridle upon his tongue (James 1:26). It seemed that he could not rest unless he had done some mischief against our respectable efforts, as it is written, "For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall" (Prov. 4:16).
Despite our past experiences with Matt which all were to our hurt, we had, in Christian charity, tolerated Matt's presence almost entirely throughout the construction of the Church building. He would freely walk on to the property and engage us with his erroneous contentions on a weekly or daily basis. He would even pick through our scrap pile and find pieces of wood that could aid his construction project, and we gladly did not forbid him. We behaved thus to him all the while certain of the Church members were forbidden from standing on Matt's property. He would often stall our work day for hours, but we were willing to suffer this for the sake of Matt's soul... hoping that God would grant him repentance to the acknowledging of the truth (2 Tim. 2:25). It was very obvious from early on that Matt Myer was unreasonable, nevertheless all the men working on the site spent many hours willing to reason with him (some around 10-20 hours, others more like 30 hours). Also many other saints (some from within and some from outside this local Church) and our Pastors have spent many hours trying to reason with Matt. He would almost always bring up the same false and railing accusations against certain Church members.
I had often remembered the men in the book of Nehemiah: Sanballat, Geshem and Tobiah, who were ordained of the devil to resist the work of those who seek the welfare of God's people. I was thankful for the resistance, on this wise, knowing that God was indeed for us.
The day I stood up on the roof I was very heavy in spirit for Matt. He had been bold to gather certain souls whom I loved and desired to know the truth of God's word and gospel. I had the account of Balaam and Balak upon my heart. I knew that the Lord wanted to warn Matt Myer of the sin of seeking to curse God's people. I, with trembling, climbed up to the peak of the Church House and read the account of Balaam's words when he blessed God's people three times in the presence of Balak, when Balak had hired Balaam to curse (Num. 23,24). The video produced by Matt was only the tail end of the words that my Lord let me "hear in the ear", and therefore I preached them upon the housetop ("What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops" - Matt. 10:27). I preached the things which I did in faith to the Lord Jesus Christ, as a faithful declaration depicting the great sin of the Myer home. The "Guests" of Matt's who were present on his property and in my hearing were of vital importance to the situation, conveniently left unmentioned in his allegation that I was harassing Matt and his "Guests/family".
Matt's two Guests in his back yard, Christine Major (presently erring from the faith, and attempting to cause others to do so [documented by Sean Morris]) and Alberto Depasquale (presently unconverted), had been looking toward us for a few hours... I suspect desiring to speak with us. I have good reason to believe this because during Christine's visit to Wells she had actively pursued the Brethren all over Wells (boldly knocking on our doors, etc., she made very clear why she was in Wells), she had also come on my property (the Church building) and tried to contend with me about the right judgment of God. This rebuke spoken from the roof did righteously stir Alberto to want to speak with me specifically. Shortly after that day, Alberto defied Matt's counsel to stay away from us, and we spoke outside for an hour or so. This conversation then led up to a longer meeting in the unfinished Church House building (a meeting which went late into the night). Matt Myer, also, was present in this meeting on my property, welcomed by me (as our consistent behavior up to that time had been). Alberto fell under conviction this night and wanted to come back and hear more of the true Gospel. That night Alberto (an admittedly unconverted man) reproved Matt for not fearing the written word of God. Ever since that day Alberto has not trusted Matt's counsel, and is wanting to continue speaking to us, though sadly he is still in great sin. May the Lord have mercy on him!
On the day I preached from the roof-top, Matt had called the police. The Officer did not seem to suggest that I had broken the law by lifting up my voice to read or preach on my own property. Matt was standing on my property when he took this video, and I gave him no warning. Surely this is proof of our willingness to long-suffer Matt's sinful presence, and yet he hastily seeks to "capture" video material whereby he can frame himself to be a victim of our "crimes". It is also noteworthy that on multiple occasions Matt did also lift up his voice to rebuke us from his project on the other side of the property line, but we did not call the police. Many visitors to the Church House, while inside of the building, were tangled up into Matt's railing accusations and suffered his bad manors. Almost all of this proof could be established by three or more witnesses, but we have refrained from making a reasonable attempt at this because we supposed Matt's folly would be open before all. We were not expecting he would be so successful in disguising himself with "sheep clothing", nor did we expect the Remnant to just simply trust him.
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“Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house.” - Proverbs 17:13
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Sincerely in love and for the sake of the truth,
Rick Trudeau
Rick Trudeau
"Church of Wells" cult member harassment---Testimony #3, A Response by Mark de Rouville
Note: It is true, and God knows, that Matt's behavior drastically changes when the camera is recording. Also it is needful to note that Matt Myer's real first name is Richard.
4 POINTS of Due Consideration (from the Elders): Significant Points of the Situation Which Inspired Boldness in Mark
1) A grievous situation concerning Catherine Saltsman [Grove] (which was referenced by Mark in the video), wherein, shamefully, Matt pursued after Catherine on the road, after her refusing and walking away, which was reasonably likened unto the behavior of sex offenders. Matt has conveniently and dishonestly failed to make mention of this context in the publishing of this video. On another occasion, furthermore, Catherine ran away from Matt and threw her shoe at him for fear of him as he relentlessly pursued her (as is his custom with not only her but many others).
2) Another situation Mark also references in the video, is where, as an almost complete stranger to Matt, Matt raised his hand in anger to hit Mark (Note, even while recording there was manifest an evident, though momentary, burst of anger at approx. 2:29). This further encouraged the zeal and directness of Mark's words and concern.
3) Another significant point to be considered, in the beginning of the video, Mark is addressing Matt's disgraceful behavior of going after Mark's wife without him, inviting her to speak with him without the presence of her husband. This he has done on many occasions, in reference to a number of wives in the church.
4) As one final note, it is important to keep in mind that Mark de Rouville is not an Elder or Minister in The Church of Wells (though he is a beloved Brother and a faithful Member of the Body of Christ in this local Lampstand). This duly noted, it is understandable that he is not a representative of the highest standard of blamelessness that the Lord would require in the above situations. Given the circumstances and Matt's unrelenting and alarming behavior, including the aforementioned detail, Mark's behavior is understandable.
2) Another situation Mark also references in the video, is where, as an almost complete stranger to Matt, Matt raised his hand in anger to hit Mark (Note, even while recording there was manifest an evident, though momentary, burst of anger at approx. 2:29). This further encouraged the zeal and directness of Mark's words and concern.
3) Another significant point to be considered, in the beginning of the video, Mark is addressing Matt's disgraceful behavior of going after Mark's wife without him, inviting her to speak with him without the presence of her husband. This he has done on many occasions, in reference to a number of wives in the church.
4) As one final note, it is important to keep in mind that Mark de Rouville is not an Elder or Minister in The Church of Wells (though he is a beloved Brother and a faithful Member of the Body of Christ in this local Lampstand). This duly noted, it is understandable that he is not a representative of the highest standard of blamelessness that the Lord would require in the above situations. Given the circumstances and Matt's unrelenting and alarming behavior, including the aforementioned detail, Mark's behavior is understandable.
An Open Response by Mark de Rouville
Dear Reader,
“For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.” – Hebrews 12:3-4
“But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became the companions of them that were so used.” - Hebrews 10:32-33
“For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.” – Hebrews 12:3-4
“But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became the companions of them that were so used.” - Hebrews 10:32-33
Alas and did my Saviour bleed and did my Sovereign die?
Would He devote that sacred head for such a worm as I? And yes!
That sacred Head was weighted 'neath, cruel words shouted so loud!
Foul suggestions from the masses, a whitewashed angry crowd!
Would He devote that sacred head for such a worm as I? And yes!
That sacred Head was weighted 'neath, cruel words shouted so loud!
Foul suggestions from the masses, a whitewashed angry crowd!
My name is Mark de Rouville and I count it all joy to abide in Jesus and to walk “even as He walked” (1 Jn. 2:6). I am not ashamed of the falsehoods and lies hurled relentlessly by Satan (who is tireless in his own wicked cause) as he works through the “Children of disobedience” who are so named because they please not Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:2-3), and give not reverence to God - Who is Light and all Goodness. My humble plea to you, my reader, is that you would “Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins” (Num. 16:26).
I desire to write briefly to warn souls and reprove the unfruitful works of darkness as manifested by Matt Myer. As his name so he is, a miry place for Pilgrims to be entangled and be-soiled by the smooth words and enticing talk. I met Matt Myer approximately 1.5 years ago when he and his family moved down to Wells from Oregon in the fall of 2014. I had heard reports of his behavior at Troy and Michelle Dannenberger’s wedding [highlighted above in testimony # 1], and could scarcely believe how unreasonable and rash this man had a reputation for being. However, I soon had closer dealings with Matt when I was working on building the Church House, which is on the same stretch of land as my house, which is up a gently sloping hill from Rick Trudeau’s house.
From the very first encounter with Matt I was troubled by his apparent personal bitterness against the Elders of the Church, particularly Sean Morris, and his general heresies which he would shamelessly repeat after they were clearly disproven by scripture. He argued that fruits DO NOT and CAN NOT show someone’s standing before God, claiming that a man can be a drunkard and a fornicator and still go to heaven, and that a mere verbal confession of “believing” is enough to be counted as savingly regenerated [see Sean's experience in Testimony # 1 of the same experience before this]. There were countless troubling doctrines this man held to and I welcomed Matt over to our house (as we are neighbours and share a fence line) to discuss the scriptures and hear his testimony of salvation (which he had none). He came with Alberto, an unconverted man who was living at his house, who is mentioned in Rick’s testimony. After a while I grew troubled by his insincerity, and wondered if he was secretly recording us. I asked him bluntly if he was recording our conversation to which he grew defensive and avoided the question. After I repeated the question he began to stammer that it wasn’t wrong for him to secretly record me if I “had nothing to hide” and other concealed taunts. After I told him I didn’t mind him to record but merely wanted him to post all of it if he did publish it online against the Church, then he pulled out a recorder on his phone and said he would record me now (he has since admitted before two witnesses that he was indeed secretly recording me). Shortly after, I began to confront his personal sins and Alberto began to confront Matt as well. Matt in a rage threatened to throw Alberto out of his house if he continued to oppose him. Matt eventually fled my house, threatening to call the police for harassing him and many other falsely spoken things. He did eventually cast Alberto out of his house after we met later. Matt consistently seems kind and open to first time visitors and the like, but you shall soon know his treachery if you begin to confront him on his anger or other sins!
At one point, my wife and I went over to his house to invite him to further discuss the scriptures and after he began to angrily shout against the Elders of the Church, I asked, “Matt, where is your humility?” to which he literally boiled over in rage, biting his lip and raising his hand to strike me. He held his hand back and said something to the effect of, “You’re not worth it”, and then he told me to get off of his property. I complied and warned him of a railer not inheriting the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 5:11). At this, he ran up to me and with fists balled and told me to leave with his face 2 inches from mine. This is not how a Christian behaves! Oh the grief in my soul that such behavior is done in secret, while men “believe every word” of this open sepulcher of deceit (Prov. 14:15)!
“Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.” - Proverbs 22:24-25
Since Matt moved to Wells to trouble us, we have consistently sought to help him in every way. Offering to cut his lumber, letting him pick through our piles of wood, offering him and his family baked goods and cow milk, offering to help get his truck out of the mud, offering to help him with putting up his garage, offering to help roof it, and generally allowing him free access through our property, even though he would tear through it with his dirt bike… we patiently suffered long in hopes he would be convicted for his churlish behavior and humble himself before God.
Despite these sincere gestures, Matt consistently attacked us on Facebook and social media, and most recently posted videos of Rick Trudeau preaching from the house top, and myself. In both videos, note that I am standing on Rick Trudeau’s property. In the first Matt is actually standing right next to the Church house building. In both videos I am very grieved by Matt’s insincerity and obvious acting for a video audience he expected and hoped to show these mischievously edited videos to. May God have mercy!
“He that deviseth to do evil shall be called a mischievous person.” - Proverbs 24:8
I have had many confrontations with Matt and his double dealings with the Church, yet that has never hindered me from seeking his eternal good. I have also been saddened by Jody Myer’s unwillingness to resist and confront her husband’s hypocrisy, but instead she has chosen to rather “Walk in the counsel of the ungodly, stand in the way of sinners, and sit in the seat of the scornful” (Ps. 1). May God have mercy!
In fact, this YouTube video (where I am pointedly reproving his many and varied sins) was made the same day I had spoken with Matt about helping roof his garage. But, alas, the best of them are “as a thorn” which cruelly repay those who seek to tenderly reach for them (Micah 7:14). And as the scripture says, such are they who shall receive due reward in hell, unless they repent, God granting it though we wish it not upon them! On the contrary, we consistently pray for Matt and Jody and I personally have spent many hours preaching and sharing scriptures with Matt.
Be warned, if ye follow that which is good, you shall quickly find yourself opposed by this man. As he calls those who are “right on their way” to turn out of the way, but know this… “that the dead are there, and that (his) guests are in the depths of hell” (Proverbs 9:15-18)!
In the Common Persecuted Way and Faith,
Mark de Rouville
I desire to write briefly to warn souls and reprove the unfruitful works of darkness as manifested by Matt Myer. As his name so he is, a miry place for Pilgrims to be entangled and be-soiled by the smooth words and enticing talk. I met Matt Myer approximately 1.5 years ago when he and his family moved down to Wells from Oregon in the fall of 2014. I had heard reports of his behavior at Troy and Michelle Dannenberger’s wedding [highlighted above in testimony # 1], and could scarcely believe how unreasonable and rash this man had a reputation for being. However, I soon had closer dealings with Matt when I was working on building the Church House, which is on the same stretch of land as my house, which is up a gently sloping hill from Rick Trudeau’s house.
From the very first encounter with Matt I was troubled by his apparent personal bitterness against the Elders of the Church, particularly Sean Morris, and his general heresies which he would shamelessly repeat after they were clearly disproven by scripture. He argued that fruits DO NOT and CAN NOT show someone’s standing before God, claiming that a man can be a drunkard and a fornicator and still go to heaven, and that a mere verbal confession of “believing” is enough to be counted as savingly regenerated [see Sean's experience in Testimony # 1 of the same experience before this]. There were countless troubling doctrines this man held to and I welcomed Matt over to our house (as we are neighbours and share a fence line) to discuss the scriptures and hear his testimony of salvation (which he had none). He came with Alberto, an unconverted man who was living at his house, who is mentioned in Rick’s testimony. After a while I grew troubled by his insincerity, and wondered if he was secretly recording us. I asked him bluntly if he was recording our conversation to which he grew defensive and avoided the question. After I repeated the question he began to stammer that it wasn’t wrong for him to secretly record me if I “had nothing to hide” and other concealed taunts. After I told him I didn’t mind him to record but merely wanted him to post all of it if he did publish it online against the Church, then he pulled out a recorder on his phone and said he would record me now (he has since admitted before two witnesses that he was indeed secretly recording me). Shortly after, I began to confront his personal sins and Alberto began to confront Matt as well. Matt in a rage threatened to throw Alberto out of his house if he continued to oppose him. Matt eventually fled my house, threatening to call the police for harassing him and many other falsely spoken things. He did eventually cast Alberto out of his house after we met later. Matt consistently seems kind and open to first time visitors and the like, but you shall soon know his treachery if you begin to confront him on his anger or other sins!
At one point, my wife and I went over to his house to invite him to further discuss the scriptures and after he began to angrily shout against the Elders of the Church, I asked, “Matt, where is your humility?” to which he literally boiled over in rage, biting his lip and raising his hand to strike me. He held his hand back and said something to the effect of, “You’re not worth it”, and then he told me to get off of his property. I complied and warned him of a railer not inheriting the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 5:11). At this, he ran up to me and with fists balled and told me to leave with his face 2 inches from mine. This is not how a Christian behaves! Oh the grief in my soul that such behavior is done in secret, while men “believe every word” of this open sepulcher of deceit (Prov. 14:15)!
“Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.” - Proverbs 22:24-25
Since Matt moved to Wells to trouble us, we have consistently sought to help him in every way. Offering to cut his lumber, letting him pick through our piles of wood, offering him and his family baked goods and cow milk, offering to help get his truck out of the mud, offering to help him with putting up his garage, offering to help roof it, and generally allowing him free access through our property, even though he would tear through it with his dirt bike… we patiently suffered long in hopes he would be convicted for his churlish behavior and humble himself before God.
Despite these sincere gestures, Matt consistently attacked us on Facebook and social media, and most recently posted videos of Rick Trudeau preaching from the house top, and myself. In both videos, note that I am standing on Rick Trudeau’s property. In the first Matt is actually standing right next to the Church house building. In both videos I am very grieved by Matt’s insincerity and obvious acting for a video audience he expected and hoped to show these mischievously edited videos to. May God have mercy!
“He that deviseth to do evil shall be called a mischievous person.” - Proverbs 24:8
I have had many confrontations with Matt and his double dealings with the Church, yet that has never hindered me from seeking his eternal good. I have also been saddened by Jody Myer’s unwillingness to resist and confront her husband’s hypocrisy, but instead she has chosen to rather “Walk in the counsel of the ungodly, stand in the way of sinners, and sit in the seat of the scornful” (Ps. 1). May God have mercy!
In fact, this YouTube video (where I am pointedly reproving his many and varied sins) was made the same day I had spoken with Matt about helping roof his garage. But, alas, the best of them are “as a thorn” which cruelly repay those who seek to tenderly reach for them (Micah 7:14). And as the scripture says, such are they who shall receive due reward in hell, unless they repent, God granting it though we wish it not upon them! On the contrary, we consistently pray for Matt and Jody and I personally have spent many hours preaching and sharing scriptures with Matt.
Be warned, if ye follow that which is good, you shall quickly find yourself opposed by this man. As he calls those who are “right on their way” to turn out of the way, but know this… “that the dead are there, and that (his) guests are in the depths of hell” (Proverbs 9:15-18)!
In the Common Persecuted Way and Faith,
Mark de Rouville
A Testimony from Ronnie Saltsman, Catherine Grove's Husband --- Testimony #4
To whom it may concern,
I would like to write an account concerning Matt Myer.
Is he a witness for GOD? Or is he slandering the Church of God?
“Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man, rather than a fool in his folly.” - Proverbs 17:12
Last Summer Matt Myer came marching on to the Church House property here in Wells, as Matt has many times (and most of the times he has been welcomed to come). I was with, at that time, my fiancé Catherine. Matt approached us, and my wife walked away because of Matt's behavior toward the Church of yielding no fruits of the Spirit, but fruits of the flesh - behavior such as manipulating, lying, threatening, folly, twisting the scriptures, and no love for the brethren. Right away Matt started hastily walking pass me and toward my wife while yelling at her, telling her he wanted to speak with her. As Catherine continued to walk, Matt aggressively tried catching up with her (while I was by his side pleading with Matt that she does not desire to speak with him). Matt ran up to her as he came close behind her; she turned around and rebuked him, saying she did not want to speak with him.
“Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.” - Psalm 73:6
Then Catherine started to speed walk the other way, and Matt stood shocked at the rebuke for a moment... and then he became all the more enraged and started chasing after her again (this time with me and three other brothers pleading with him to calm down, and that she did not want to speak with him). Matt finally stopped after I think he realized what he was doing... then he turned toward the brothers and started yelling violently. It was truly terrifying... Matt pulled back his fist about to hit one of the brothers - then stopped - and then I think the guilt started to come into his heart that what he was doing was wrong.
Does this sound like a disciple of Jesus Christ?
"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." - John 13:35
Matt Myer has since then tried to stalk my wedding, and was even arrested for not leaving and for giving the policeman a hard time. Matt has manifestly tried to approach Catherine by herself with his family even since we have been married and that despite her evident animosity toward such a thing, he has tried to give us gifts, and he goes up and down the streets I believe looking for my wife. He has asked where I live several times and I get calls and messages from him frequently. I had to block him from my FaceBook Page. I desire nothing more than to see Matt come to biblical repentance; bowing His knee in this life to the Living Lord Jesus Christ.
Sincerely,
Ronnie Saltsman
I would like to write an account concerning Matt Myer.
Is he a witness for GOD? Or is he slandering the Church of God?
“Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man, rather than a fool in his folly.” - Proverbs 17:12
Last Summer Matt Myer came marching on to the Church House property here in Wells, as Matt has many times (and most of the times he has been welcomed to come). I was with, at that time, my fiancé Catherine. Matt approached us, and my wife walked away because of Matt's behavior toward the Church of yielding no fruits of the Spirit, but fruits of the flesh - behavior such as manipulating, lying, threatening, folly, twisting the scriptures, and no love for the brethren. Right away Matt started hastily walking pass me and toward my wife while yelling at her, telling her he wanted to speak with her. As Catherine continued to walk, Matt aggressively tried catching up with her (while I was by his side pleading with Matt that she does not desire to speak with him). Matt ran up to her as he came close behind her; she turned around and rebuked him, saying she did not want to speak with him.
“Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.” - Psalm 73:6
Then Catherine started to speed walk the other way, and Matt stood shocked at the rebuke for a moment... and then he became all the more enraged and started chasing after her again (this time with me and three other brothers pleading with him to calm down, and that she did not want to speak with him). Matt finally stopped after I think he realized what he was doing... then he turned toward the brothers and started yelling violently. It was truly terrifying... Matt pulled back his fist about to hit one of the brothers - then stopped - and then I think the guilt started to come into his heart that what he was doing was wrong.
Does this sound like a disciple of Jesus Christ?
"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." - John 13:35
Matt Myer has since then tried to stalk my wedding, and was even arrested for not leaving and for giving the policeman a hard time. Matt has manifestly tried to approach Catherine by herself with his family even since we have been married and that despite her evident animosity toward such a thing, he has tried to give us gifts, and he goes up and down the streets I believe looking for my wife. He has asked where I live several times and I get calls and messages from him frequently. I had to block him from my FaceBook Page. I desire nothing more than to see Matt come to biblical repentance; bowing His knee in this life to the Living Lord Jesus Christ.
Sincerely,
Ronnie Saltsman
A Testimony from Troy Dannenberger, on behalf of Troy and Michelle Dannenberger --- Testimony #5
On behalf of myself and my beloved wife, I write this testimony of our dealings with Matt Myer. Everything in the aforementioned testimony by brother Sean of what happened at our wedding is accurate. We have forgiven Matt for trying to destroy our wedding and have prayed many times for his soul since that night.
Matt has come to our home multiple times while I was at work trying to speak with my wife. He tries to come and be subtle working craftiness even as the serpent came after Eve. He comes to attempt to turn my wife against the church and against her husband (while never first seeking to speak to, or reason with me through the scriptures, as I'll mention shortly). He agreed to meet with us one night and I spoke to him about this and asked him not to come over to my home when I am not there. And he has still come back over during my work hours while I was not there.
Also at the meeting we had with Matt at his house he was wanting to show us a video of our brethren. We told him that we would not watch it unless he allowed our brethren to be present to also give an account of what happened. He became very angry and told us to leave. I shared
James 3:13-18 with him, “Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.” And then we left. In my dealings with Matt he has never been one who was trying to sow peace, only discord.
Matt has come to our home multiple times while I was at work trying to speak with my wife. He tries to come and be subtle working craftiness even as the serpent came after Eve. He comes to attempt to turn my wife against the church and against her husband (while never first seeking to speak to, or reason with me through the scriptures, as I'll mention shortly). He agreed to meet with us one night and I spoke to him about this and asked him not to come over to my home when I am not there. And he has still come back over during my work hours while I was not there.
Also at the meeting we had with Matt at his house he was wanting to show us a video of our brethren. We told him that we would not watch it unless he allowed our brethren to be present to also give an account of what happened. He became very angry and told us to leave. I shared
James 3:13-18 with him, “Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.” And then we left. In my dealings with Matt he has never been one who was trying to sow peace, only discord.
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“An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends. A violent man enticeth his neighbour, and leadeth him into the way that is not good. He shutteth his eyes to devise froward things: moving his lips he bringeth evil to pass” - Proverbs 16:27-30
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Matt and Jody have on numerous occasions, behind my back, messaged my wife to attempt to get her to leave me and the church. I have messaged Matt back letting him know that my wife has been showing me his texts and asked him kindly not to text my wife, which he has not done. He even privately messaged her again the night before the writing of this testimony. I have tried on numerous occasions to sit down and talk with Matt, but he refuses to talk with us unless we hear his slanderous reports of our brethren. We have agreed to hear them if he would only let them be present... Why would he not allow them to be present unless his accounts are not truthful? John 3:20-21 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Matt and Jody have also contacted my wife's father and mother back in Oregon slandering the church. We do forgive him and his wife and desire to see them born again. We just desire to share this testimony to make all who read understand what manner of person this is and that you may see he does not bear the fruit of Christ, so his reports should not be trusted.
Matt and Jody have also contacted my wife's father and mother back in Oregon slandering the church. We do forgive him and his wife and desire to see them born again. We just desire to share this testimony to make all who read understand what manner of person this is and that you may see he does not bear the fruit of Christ, so his reports should not be trusted.